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Text: Brandon Sanderson Wind and Truth Book Five of The Stormlight Archive

Brandon Sanderson’s epic Stormlight Archive fantasy series will continue with Wind and Truth, the concluding volume of the first major arc of this ten-book series. A defining pillar of Sanderson’s “Cosmere” fantasy book universe, this newest installment of The Stormlight Archive promises huge developments for the world of Roshar, the struggles of the Knights Radiant (and friends!), and for the Cosmere at large.

Reactor is serializing the new book from now until its release date on December 6, 2024. A new installment will go live every Monday at 11 AM ET, along with read-along commentary from Stormlight beta readers and Cosmere experts Lyndsey Luther, Drew McCaffrey, and Paige Vest. You can find every chapter and commentary post published so far in the Wind and Truth index.

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Wind and Truth Chapter Arch Chapter 29

Chapter 29: Secret Handshakes

Those who offer blanket condemnation are fools, for each situation deserves its own consideration, and rarely can you simply apply a saying—even one of mine—to a situation without serious weighing of the context.

—From The Way of Kings, fourth parable

Shallan’s jaw dropped as she lay on the floor of the Ghostblood hideout. She stared, like an eel gasping for breath, at the space where Mraize and the others had vanished. How? The bizarre impossibility of it made the pain of her wound fade for the moment. That had been…

…them transferring to Shadesmar. Like Jasnah could do. Had Sja-anat saved them? No. One of them was an Elsecaller, or perhaps a Willshaper. A corrupted version of a Radiant.

Renarin doesn’t like us to think of them that way, she thought with a wince, remembering her pain.

Well, it seemed she’d been wrong about the Ghostbloods having no experience with their abilities. Perhaps Iyatil had bonded a spren earlier than she’d assumed? She’d have to ask Sja-anat. For now, she held her bloodied side as Windrunners secured the room, several of them going after the Ghostbloods who had escaped.

“Shallan!” Darcira said, kneeling by her. Shallan hadn’t seen the other Lightweaver enter. “You’re hurt! How? You didn’t summon your armor?”

“Anti-Light,” Shallan said with a grunt. “I couldn’t afford to let it hit the armor—don’t know what it will do to the spren.” She grimaced. “The bolt went in too low to hit my lung, otherwise I’d be coughing blood all over the floor. Grazed between my ribs though—I can feel it.” Shallan braced herself. “Pull it out. It’s injecting anti-Stormlight.”

The other woman did so, and Shallan squeezed her eyes shut against the agony. She breathed in and out, shallow breaths to control the pain, and continued to feel that coldness in her veins. The anti-Light pulsed with a strange, off-key sound. Like the scrape of bone on rock. It faded slowly.

She opened her eyes and could see it evaporating from her skin, along with the painspren crawling around—several the wrong color. The anti-Light wisps soon vanished. Shallan waited a little longer, but she was getting light-headed. So at last she drew in a deep breath, filling herself with Stormlight. The power went to work immediately, and she didn’t explode, which was nice.

“We shouldn’t have sent you in alone,” Darcira said.

“Alone? Darcira, we both know my ego is big enough to count for between two and four people, depending on the day and my mood.” Shallan took a long, ragged breath, and when she breathed out, less Stormlight left her than it normally did. An elevated oath meant everything she did was more efficient: she healed better, Stormlight stayed longer, and she was less… porous to its escape.

Darcira pulled her bloodied handkerchief away from the wound. “At least that’s good conventional armor you have on, for leathers. Seems to have absorbed much of the force. At such close range, I’d have expected the bolt to go straight out the other side, but it barely punctured the armor on your back.”

“Perhaps it got lost,” Shallan said. “Take it from one who lives in here—my insides can be confusing.”

“No, really,” Darcira said. “I don’t think this is hogshide. It’s something else. Probably from… you know…”

Right. She was wearing the carcass of a beast from some other planet, its skin smoother and thicker than that of a hog. Storms. What a surreal realization. Shallan found her feet and wiped her hands on a cloth Jayn provided, as she and the other Lightweavers joined them from the trophy room.

“What took so long?” Shallan asked them. “Feels like forever since I gave the signal.”

“Erinor spoke to the stones,” Darcira said. “Got the impression there was a secret exit down into the chasms. We were just exploring it when you hit the signal—and suddenly people started fleeing that way.”

“We figured we’d grab them as they came out, while sending support to you,” Jayn said. “You must have frightened them something awful, Brightness. They came charging through without checking first!” She grimaced. “Sorry to let you get hit…”

“I took it intentionally,” Shallan said, feeling sturdy, even excited, now that she had Stormlight in her veins. Jayn held up her satchel, the shoulder strap tied haphazardly, the leather dimpled with Pattern, who apparently had followed her instructions and found the others. Shallan slung the satchel over her shoulder.

“Mmm…” Pattern said, moving onto her clothing. “I am very glad you did not get killed while I was not here. I should like to be there when you die. It is a thing friends do for friends.”

Shallan walked to the spot where Mraize and the others had vanished. Could she follow? Her powers had a strange relationship with Shadesmar. She’d always had trouble with this, from the first time she’d experimented in Kharbranth.

Or… no… that hadn’t been the first time…

As the other Radiants continued exploring—Shallan was particularly happy to have captured those trophies for study—she drew on the Stormlight to peek into another world, full of churning spheres and a cold sun. She held herself back and just looked, seeking…

Three people on a small boat pulled by mandras, heading for a nearby platform with massive spren overhead. Mraize, Iyatil, and Lieke. One tall figure, two short. They had planned this special means of escape, and were heading to Urithiru. Their cell here had suffered a terrible blow—but they’d already set something in motion with Dalinar. A plot to find Ba-Ado-Mishram, the Unmade.

She almost tried pulling herself all the way into Shadesmar, something she wasn’t supposed to be able to do with her powers—but which she’d done before regardless. Two bonds. Two spren. Storms, that explained some curious events in her past; instead of her pulling them into her realm, they pulled her somewhat into theirs.

She blinked, dismissing the vision. She shouldn’t face the Ghostbloods alone, but she had an idea about who to go to for help.

* * *

“So,” Lift said, gnawing the last remnants of meat from a bone, “that’s how you build an exploding chamber pot.”

Gavinor—the five-year-old son of King Elhokar, current heir to Alethkar—nodded solemnly. He was small for his age; people often thought he was much younger. Lift didn’t, as she’d known kids like him in orphanages. Kids who had seen too much.

The two of them sat on a table outside the room where Dalinar, Navani, and Wit were explaining something to Sebarial and Aladar. As they’d passed, Dalinar had specifically told her not to try to sneak in.

Storming Dalinar. Storming Wit and his storming stupid secrecy. Lift knew stuff. She coulda been inside, listening to the important talk.

At least nobody in here—the conference room for planning upcoming battles—kicked her out. She was Radiant, first Edgedancer they’d found, thank you very much. But she didn’t lead her order. That was starving Baramaz and her starving perfect teeth and short black hair that had just the right amount of curl. She smiled too much. Granted, Baramaz didn’t fall over as much when she used her powers. But Lift hardly fell over when she used her powers these days.

In a stroke of good luck, Sigzil walked by. She followed him with her eyes, absently lowering the bone from her lips.

“You often stare at that one, mistress,” Wyndle said, forming next to her as a pile of vines. He liked the changes in the tower, because they let him appear to anyone. These days he commonly made a funny-looking face to interact, one like his face on the other side. Full and round, with mustachios and gemstone eyes that looked like spectacles. He didn’t think it was funny-looking, of course. Pigs didn’t know they stank either.

“I don’t stare at him,” Lift said, watching the Azish Windrunner give orders to subordinates. So confident, yet so studious. Not a brute, like so many of the Alethi. He had thoughts. He was smart. Not so tall as to be intimidating, but tall enough to be striking.

“Pardon,” Wyndle said, “but you’re staring right now.”

“Do you think,” Lift said, “he likes poetry?”

“Who doesn’t?” Wyndle said. “Ooh, I’ve written seventeen poems about the delightful nature of Iriali footstools!”

“Shut up,” Lift said. “Gav. Do you think he likes poetry?”

“I… don’t know what that is,” Gav said.

“Yeah,” Lift said, still watching Sigzil. Then she added, “I don’t either.”

“What?” Wyndle said.

“It’s just a term I’ve heard girls say. Somethin’ about words’n’shit, right?”

Wyndle sighed. “Mistress, please don’t use such crude terminology.”

“That sword ardent does it.”

“Zahel is not a role model.” Wyndle drew himself up tall. “You are a Knight Radiant. A beacon of hope for all people. You should not be using vulgarities—besides, you’re not even using that word correctly. It doesn’t make sense in such a linguistic context.”

“That’s how he uses it,” she muttered. He talked strange sometimes. Weird and interesting.

Nobody had seen him since the attack on the tower though. Probably off sleeping somewhere. He was smart, that one. Always seemed to know when someone was gonna make him do something, so he got out of there quick.

Still, Lift probably should be a better role model. “Gav,” she said to the prince, “forget you heard me say that word.”

“Poetry?” he asked.

“Yeah. Sure. That’s the one. Bad word, that.”

Gav nodded solemnly. Yes, that kid was way too serious. She’d actively worked to befriend Gav this last year, after his rescue from Kholinar. Fortunately, he hadn’t been in the tower during the invasion; he’d been with his grandfather on campaign.

He didn’t say much. Lift had learned that sometimes to listen—and really hear people—you also had to be there when they didn’t talk.

Today though, he opened up more than usual. “Lift? Do you think Grampa and Gram… want me? Are they sad they have to take care of me?”

Lift didn’t put her arm around the kid, though she wanted to. He flinched when nonfamily did that, and you had to learn to see stuff like that. Hugs weren’t always for you.

But she did give him a nudge in the side. “They love you. Big folk is always busy, so sometimes they forget that we’re people an’ like to make choices too.”

He nodded, looking at the closed door across the room. “You sneak in where you’re not supposed to be.”

“Yup!”

“That’s wrong. You shouldn’t do that.”

“Gav,” she said, “sometimes you gotta do the things you ain’t supposed to do.”

“Why?”

“This world,” she said, “it’s fulla stuff that people think you ain’t supposed to do, but which is actually okay. It’s also full of stuff you really, really shouldn’t do. Nobody tells you which is which, so you gotta find the difference.”

“That’s hard.”

“Sure is,” she said, and eyed the vents on the wall.

“You gonna try again?” Gav asked. “Despite what he said?”

“Maybe,” Lift said. “You gotta be careful with Dalinar. He’s real old—like, old as mountains and shi… um… stuff. But somehow, he don’t know that there’s things a person should do that everyone says ain’t right. You know?”

Gav looked at her, baffled.

“Just trust me,” Lift said. “Oh! Hey, I remembered. Tower, you there?”

The tower spren appeared beside her as a column of light stretching between discs on the floor and ceiling. The spren liked Lift on account of her being awesome. Really strange that more people didn’t feel the same.

“What?” the Sibling said.

“You found my chicken yet?” Lift asked.

“There is no chicken meeting your description in my halls.”

“It’s here!” Lift said. “Look again. It’s red, and has a beak and feathers. And it says stuff. Like a person.”

“You’ve described it many times, Lift”.

“It was hurt an’ scared. They took it when I was inna cage. You gotta find it, so I can help it.”

The Sibling didn’t respond. Those awful people must have taken the chicken somewhere—that guy with the scar and too many smiles. Lift would find it. Next to her, Wyndle grew a vine and patted her on the back, which was nice.

Better, soon Drehy flew in to give a report. And Damnation, did he need a uniform that tight? Lift leaned to the side, so she could see better when he bent over the table with the maps. Damnation.

“That one?” Wyndle said. “He’s completely the opposite of Sigzil. Why do you stare at that one?”

“If you need to ask,” Lift said, “then you have no sense of taste whatsoever.”

“He’s married, you know.”

“Yeah,” she said, leaning farther to the side. “His husband’s hot too. Seems unfair. You’re hot, you can fly, and you have a hot husband? Windrunners, Wyndle, I’m tellin’ ya. Something’s up with them. You know, I ain’t never seen one o’ them run into a wall? Not even a small wall.”

“Wyndle,” Gav said softly, “do spren have families?”

“Why, yes they do, Your Highness!” Wyndle said. “Though we require only one parent, so many spren do not pair bond. But it’s also not uncommon for us to do so! Why, even formal marriage isn’t unheard of. I have a mother, who is a dear and kind soul who spends her time gardening shoes.”

Gav nodded, knees drawn up against his chest, staring at the ground. “My mother gave me to Voidbringers,” he said softly, “to be tormented and killed.”

Lift winced.

“I think she’s dead now,” Gav continued, his voice even softer. “They won’t tell me straight. I’m too young. But my father is dead. He was killed trying to rescue me…”

“It is…” Wyndle said. “I mean… I’m sorry.”

“He was very brave,” Gav whispered. “I don’t remember what he looked like, but he was very brave. He wanted me. He came to save me. Then he… then he was slain by the traitor, Vyre.”

“Hey,” Lift said, nudging him. “Hey.”

Gav looked at her.

She reached her hand toward him, two fingers out. He slowly did the same, locking his two fingers into hers. Their secret handshake. The secret was that secret handshakes were stupid, but sometimes you used them anyway. Mostly for making scared friends feel like they belonged.

“You’ve got a place now,” she said. “Remember.”

He nodded. He’d need more reminders. Just like she did sometimes.

“Oh, yes!” Wyndle said. “You have grandparents who love you!”

“Grampa was going to play swords with me today,” Gav said, wiping his nose.

“Yes, well,” Wyndle said, “the world is kind of in the middle of ending. Takes precedence, I should imagine.”

“I’m gonna learn,” Gav said, a small angerspren pooling beneath him, like bubbling blood. “How to use a Shardblade. How to fight. Then I’m gonna find everyone who hurt my father, and I’m going to kill them. I’m gonna make their eyes burn out and then, when they’re dead, I’ll chop them to pieces.”

He looked to Lift, then glanced back down, ashamed.

“Yeah, all right,” she said. “I’ll hold them for you. Deal?”

He looked at her again, and finally—for the first time today—smiled. Yeah, revenge wasn’t gonna be as fun as he thought, and he probably needed to let go of it. But he was five. Right now he needed a friend, not someone else telling him to be mature.

Besides. Maturity stank. She resisted the urge to scratch at her wrap, which she wore bound around her chest. Then Sigzil walked past again, and she absently pulled another rib from her pocket and started chewing on it as she watched.

“How can you not want to grow up,” Wyndle said, “and still spend half your days ogling men? Don’t you see the contradiction?”

“No,” she said. “Don’t be stupid.”

“But your interest in men is obviously a manifestation of your advancement toward adulthood. You don’t seem to mind that, but you hate the secondary sex characteristics manifesting—”

“Hey Tower,” Lift said.

Again the little dancing column of light appeared—though she knew it would be invisible to other humans. Lift saw into the other realm a little. Something related to what had happened to her when she’d gone to the Nightwatcher, that lying liar who didn’t keep her promises.

“Yes?” the Sibling said.

“Are all cultivationspren like this?” Lift asked. “Or did I get stuck with the druff?”

“What is a druff?”

“Him.”

“There is great variety in the personalities of all spren, Lift,” the Sibling said. “So I’d have to say you got stuck with a druff. Whatever that is.”

She grunted, eyeing Wyndle.

“I like being a druff,” he said, chin out—though he didn’t really have a body, just vines and a head. “You’re lucky. You think just any spren would put up with your abuse?”

“It ain’t abuse,” Lift muttered. “It’s teasing.”

“You should feel grateful,” the tower said. “Wyndle is correct. Relatively few humans are chosen for the privilege of a Radiant bond.”

“Ah, what do you know?” she said. “You’re a building.”

“And?” the tower said.

“And people fart in you. Like all the time. I bet half the people in this room are doing it right now.”

“You realize,” the tower said, “you are host to millions of life-forms. They exist in your gut, on your skin, all over you.”

“What?” Lift said.

“Oh!” Wyndle said. “I’ve heard of this. Germs, yes! Wisdom of the Heralds. People with very detailed and specific life sense can feel them, I’m told! Millions upon millions of tiny creatures living on the skin of humans.”

“They particularly like the hair follicles,” the tower said. “I can feel them on you, Lift.”

Lift stared at her hands, aghast.

“And yes”, the Sibling added, “they live their entire lives there. Eating your dead skin flakes. Defecating on you. You are a tower like me, Lift. Every human is.”

“That is the grossest thing I’ve ever heard.” She looked to Gav. “Hey Gav. Did you know we have millions of tiny creatures living on us?”

“Gross!”

“I know! Awesome.”

“You were just saying,” the tower told her, “that I’m not worth listening to because I’m filled with things that fart!”

“And?” Lift said.

“And you are too! So nobody should listen to you either!”

“Gav,” Lift said. “Should anyone listen to us when we say things? About important stuff, I mean.”

“Of course not,” Gav said. “We’re kids.”

Lift looked to the glowing column of light and shrugged.

“I honestly have no idea why I started talking to you,” the tower said.

“It’s because you sensed Cultivation’s touch on her,” Wyndle said, completely missing the context of the tower’s complaint. As usual. What a druff.

But… well…

He did put up with her. Storms only knew she wouldn’t want to have to do that.

“Hey,” she said to Wyndle. “Thanks.”

“What for?” he asked, frowning at her.

She put out her hand, two fingers out and crooked, like a claw. He regarded it, then opened his eyes wide in shock. Trembling, he formed a hand from vines and met hers.

“I get the secret handshake?” he whispered.

“Just don’t go sharin’ it,” she said.

“It must remain special,” Gav added.

“I… I’m honored,” Wyndle said.

Finally, at long last, the door into the other room opened. Wit, Dalinar, and Navani strode out—and headed straight for the lifts, determined expressions on their faces. Behind them, Aladar and Sebarial looked seriously disturbed.

Damnation. They’d decided something important.

“Grampa?” Gav said, standing up on the table. “We can play swords?”

Dalinar stopped amid generals and scholars. “There is something more I need to do, son. I’m sorry.”

Gav wilted like a plant with no water. He slumped back down on the table, drawing a long grey streamer of a gloomspren—and bearing the kind of expression no secret handshake could fix.

“You can come in the lift with us, Gav,” Navani said. “Spend a little time together. Come along.”

Eager, the boy hopped down and rushed over. The nursemaid joined them—she’d been helping herself to snacks, falsely assuming she could trust Gav with a Radiant. Lift fished the last pork rib from her pocket, eyeing the group as they left.

“Gram,” Gav said on the way, “what’s ‘shit’ mean?”

Lift winced. Maybe… maybe teaching the crown prince to cuss hadn’t been her smartest move. Secretly deep down, she was a bit of a druff, wasn’t she?

“I’m impressed, mistress,” Wyndle said. “You didn’t demand to go with them!”

“I’m feelin’ kinda grown-up today,” Lift said. “On account of my good manners and full stomach.”

Wyndle nodded, satisfied. He glanced at her. Then he frowned. “You’re… going to follow them, aren’t you?”

“Storming right I am,” Lift said, hopping down. “I mean, I need more snacks, so I was planning to get up anyway…”


Wind and Truth Chapter Arch Chapter 30

Chapter 30: Not Alone

As I fear not the child with a weapon he cannot lift, I will never fear the mind of a man who does not think.

—From The Way of Kings, fourth parable

A part of Renarin missed the way the tower had been before. It was a silly emotion, but he seemed to feel a lot of those. More than other people.

The tower was far better now. Yet out in the fields—which were on large stone wafers that sprouted from the mountainside around the base of the tower—he found himself displeased. The air was humid, soft, and muggy when it had once been chill and sharp. Renarin passed row upon row of lavis polyps. Even after a few days, the transformation was visible; this row was an inch larger than it had been yesterday.

He squatted down. At this rate, the farmers said they’d be able to bring in crops every two months. Suddenly it was clear how the vast tower fed its potentially hundreds of thousands of occupants. The air was so wet he felt he was swimming, his uniform jacket uncomfortable. Yet a dozen yards away, closer to the tower, the air was a steady comfortable temperature.

It all felt… too easy.

Silly thoughts, he told himself again, standing up straight. For a silly man. He looked across the field to Rlain, who was chatting with several human farmers. Rlain had spent months toiling to teach the humans how to use Stormlight and song to grow plants. Suddenly that work was unnecessary.

Three days after defending the tower—and the humans in it, against his own kind—Rlain was back here, checking on the fields. He’d told Renarin that since the Sibling’s awakening, the rhythms became harder to hear the longer he spent inside the tower, so he preferred it out here. Although people side-eyed him, although he’d been called a shellhead, he was here making certain the very people who distrusted him wouldn’t starve.

He stood tall—almost as tall as Kaladin, and several inches taller than Renarin—with black skin marbled with red. He had a thick neck and strong jaw, outlined by a short red-and-black beard. He pointed, encouraging the farmers to grow a line of sugarbark between the lavis and the tubers, which needed standing water to sprout down into. A natural bit of shoring up, should the ponds overflow—plus something to do with the way the cremlings pollinated different crops. These were listener strains, cultivated on the Shattered Plains, and Rlain knew their intricacies.

Rlain suddenly turned and waved toward the sky. Renarin followed the gesture to see a Windrunner approaching. Lanky Drehy landed nearby, and gave Rlain a wave back, though he trotted over to Renarin. “Hey,” he said. “Meeting is on break. Your aunt asked me to bring you a report.”

“Thank you,” Renarin said softly.

Of course she’d send a report. She still hoped, as Dalinar did, that Renarin would change his mind and agree to be king of Urithiru should his father fall. Barring that, they wanted him to be Jasnah’s heir until Gav was of age. Though Jasnah would ensure an elected official took her place, they thought Alethkar should have a monarch, even if they didn’t have absolute power.

Drehy delivered a quick, affable report on the meetings. Renarin found his mind drifting, and he kept glancing at Rlain.

You will need this information, Glys said in his mind. You will pay attention?

I will, Renarin sent. Though not all spren and Radiants could communicate directly by thoughts, he and Glys were increasingly intertwined. Renarin didn’t mind that Glys felt what he did. It was a challenge sometimes, figuring out what people meant or wanted from him—and having another perspective, no matter how alien, was helpful.

After the report, Drehy lingered, and Renarin started to sweat more in his jacket. This was the part of conversations he always had trouble with. He’d already said thank you. Should he try small talk? How should this end? Everyone else seemed to know what to do—they flowed in and out of conversations like eels in a shared current.

Renarin was the rock in that current.

“So,” Drehy said, settling back against one of the stone workstations that were scattered through the fields, “want to talk about it?”

It? Renarin’s panic grew. What “it”? Was he supposed to know what this particular “it” was?

I do not know, Glys said, equally worried. Is it us, maybe? They will always be afraid of us, I fear.

“The way you look at Rlain,” Drehy said in response to Renarin’s apparent confusion.

“Oh, that,” Renarin said, relaxing. It was an embarrassing topic, but at least now he knew what the topic was. “Is it… um… obvious?”

“You learn to watch for guys who watch other guys,” Drehy said, shrugging. “I don’t want to pry. It’s nobody’s business. Just wanted you to know I’m here, should you want to talk.”

“It’s silly,” Renarin said, glancing down, blushing. “He’s not even human.”

“I say it’s better to think of everyone as people. Human. Listener. Spren. All people. Even if some of them glow and are annoying.”

“Point,” Drehy’s spren—Talla—said, appearing between them. She always took the fluttering shape of a blue chicken. “I’m not annoying. I’m habitually right. You simply have serious trouble equating one with the other, Drehy.”

“Point,” Drehy said, “being right can be annoying. Habitual or not. The two are not mutually exclusive.”

Renarin let himself smile, hesitant. Drehy, like the other members of Bridge Four, treated him as one of them, awkward or not. To them, he was… well, he was a person.

“I… don’t know what to do,” Renarin said. “About Rlain. About any of this. Aunt Navani won’t be happy. She wants grandchildren. And… um… likes people to be normal.”

“You are normal,” Drehy said. “Or rather, nobody is normal. Normal doesn’t exist. So if we slavishly try to dress ourselves to imitate it, all we’re really doing is becoming a different kind of abnormal—a miserable kind.”

Renarin looked down.

“What do you want, Renarin?” Drehy asked. “Not what your aunt, or your father, or anyone else wants. What do you want?”

“Maybe what I want,” he said, “is for my aunt, and my father, and everyone else to be happy.”

Drehy shrugged.

Storms. How to interpret that?

“Could you… um…” Renarin said, “just say what you mean, please? I’m confused.”

“Sorry,” Drehy said. “I forget sometimes. Renarin, I’m not going to tell you what to be. I’m not going to tell you when, or if, you have to tell anyone. You live your life how you want. I’ve known some who would prefer to pretend they aren’t different. Doesn’t seem to work often, but it’s their right. All I’m saying is if you have questions, I might have answers. Not ultimate answers. Maybe not even correct answers. Just the answers of one man who’s been in your shoes.”

Renarin felt an odd peace at hearing that—odd because his anxiety did not go away. It never really did, but it was nice to have a sense of peace alongside it. Once in a while.

So… dared he ask?

“Um…” Renarin said. “What if… you know… he…?”

“Prefers women?”

Renarin nodded.

“Then move on,” Drehy said. “Look, I’ll be honest. It happens. Nobody’s sense for these things is perfect, and if you ask, sometimes it embarrasses people. But trust me, in the long run it’s better to ask, and deal with it if you’re wrong.”

“I don’t think I could do that,” Renarin said, blushing.

Drehy took a long, deep breath, but didn’t contradict him. He seemed to mean what he’d said earlier—he wasn’t intending to lecture.

“It’s silly,” Renarin said. “Listeners don’t even court like we do.”

“They often bond, two people for life. They do it differently, but what did I say earlier?”

“There is no such thing as normal.”

“Everyone’s got to figure it out for themselves,” Drehy said. “I’ll tell you this though, Rlain said a few things at stew one night about being in mateform and being hugely embarrassed… I think it’s going to turn out all right, Renarin. If you’re willing to try.”

“I can’t,” Renarin said, his head still down. “I really, really can’t.

Drehy moved as if to pat Renarin on the shoulder in a way that would have comforted someone else. He paused though, then gave Renarin an encouraging gesture. Bless him, he listened. He knew that Renarin didn’t like to be touched. Though Renarin would have been fine with it in this case—he liked some physical contact on his own terms, but he didn’t like being surprised—the more important thing was that Drehy had listened. He actually cared. Renarin found himself smiling.

“You can do this,” Drehy said. “If you don’t want to, that’s all right. But Renarin, I know you walked onto a battlefield at Thaylen Field determined to make a stand against overwhelming odds all by yourself. I know you struggled with visions of the future and sorted through them, bringing messages to your father. I know you can carry a great weight, my friend. You’ve done it already.” He smiled, then drew in Stormlight and lifted into the air. “Like I said, just one man’s experiences. Bridge Four stew tonight. You coming?”

“Who’s cooking?”

“Does it matter?”

“Determines whether I eat first,” Renarin said, smiling.

“It’s me.”

“Then I’ll come hungry,” Renarin said. “Thank you, Drehy.”

“When you have questions, ask,” he said, and soared back up to rejoin the meeting.

Renarin turned toward Rlain. But then the sky darkened and the air went black as the world became stained glass. Glys pulsed within him.

They had entered a vision of what might come. And this one did not look pleasant.

* * *

Rlain had found his perfect form. Or rather, every form could be perfect for him now.

In the past, workform had been his favorite for its versatility. It also left his mind the clearest—the most him. But it didn’t have the height he’d come to appreciate in warform—nor the strength of arm or the armored carapace. He liked the way he looked in warform, and it felt the most like him on the outside. Unfortunately, it made him a little too… eager to fight and obey. He could counteract both of these emotions, as a form did not control you. But it did subtly change the way you thought.

It turned out that being Radiant let him counteract that even more fully. He held up his finger as an awespren—a floating blue ball—alighted on it. This one was invisible to the human farmers who were discussing his advice. Bonded to Tumi, he felt like himself inside regardless of form.

Tumi thrummed to the Rhythm of Joy within him, and Rlain complemented it with a harmony, attuned but different. Tumi rarely spoke, but it didn’t take words to understand his spren. The rhythms could do it.

Tumi’s rhythm changed to Anxiety. Rlain turned toward Renarin—he hadn’t seen the young man approaching until Drehy had arrived, but it had seemed the two had something to talk about, perhaps politics from above. Rlain had left them alone.

Now Renarin was encased in a shimmering distortion in the air. Was something wrong?

Curiosity from Tumi. Rlain attuned the same, hesitant, and knew Tumi thought the humans wouldn’t see what was happening to Renarin. It took a stronger Connection to the realms.

“A vision,” Rlain said. “That’s one of his visions?”

The awespren swelled, drawing the attention of the farmers, who saw it as a ring of expanding smoke. Rlain let the awespren hop away, then excused himself and walked across rows of plants to Renarin, who appeared to be staring at nothing. Dared he intervene?

Tumi counseled boldness, so Rlain stepped forward. In a snap—like the sudden strike of a drum—he was inside the vision. The sky was black, and darkness surrounded them like one might dim the other lights in a room to inspect a single glowing gemstone. From the ground rose exquisite windows made as if from colorful glass.

“They’re beautiful,” Rlain noted. “Seems like a very human manifestation though. I wonder why Tumi and Glys show us them in this form. Is it their doing, or ours, or some combination?”

Renarin turned to him looking shocked, then excited. “Rlain!” he said. “You can see them?”

Rlain nodded. “I’d hoped I’d be able to see your visions, with my own spren. Is this…” He trailed off.

Renarin was crying.

“Renarin?” he said to Despair. “What’s wrong? Did I intrude? Should I leave?”

He turned to go, but Renarin grabbed his hand. Which was surprising, from Renarin.

“I have spent,” Renarin whispered, “what feels like an eternity alone with these visions. From the days where I crept on the floor and scrawled numbers, to the day when I realized my family’s love could overcome a dark future. To a few days ago, when I heard you’d bonded a spren. Now… I’m not alone.”

Renarin pulled him along the line of stained glass windows, which stood upright with nothing to support them. Rlain followed, genuinely intrigued, but also because Renarin had always tried so hard to make Rlain feel included. Rlain respected the other members of Bridge Four, Kaladin in particular, but there was something special about Renarin. When Rlain had been alone, rejected by the spren, Renarin had been the one to comfort him.

That moment had convinced Rlain that even if it was hard, there could be a place for him among the humans. He had never fit in anywhere until he’d found Bridge Four. They hadn’t always been perfect—far from it—but they’d proved willing to work to make a place for Rlain, Renarin working hardest of all.

“So what do we do?” Rlain asked, joining Renarin at what seemed the first of the windows.

“I don’t know,” Renarin said. “But remember. Remember it can be lies.”

“Why pay attention if it could all be lies?”

“Because truth is just the lie that happened,” Renarin said.

Rlain attuned Skepticism. “That… doesn’t make sense.”

Renarin stepped up to one of the windows, and Glys—his spren—separated from him, floating up in the air by his head in the shape of a shimmering red lattice, with beads of light “dripping” from the top and vanishing into the sky. The window depicted Renarin sitting on a throne. He wore some kind of archaic outfit, a little like the fencing attire people wore on the Alethi training grounds, with the skirts.

“This is Kholinar,” Renarin said, “but it’s not the throne room. That looks like my room. See, those are my models on that shelf.”

“Models?”

“Wooden carvings of creatures,” Renarin explained. “You paint them to be lifelike.” He blushed. “I mostly bought knights instead of animals. I needed something to do with my time when Adolin was training. And here, those are my books. I’d spend a few hours each day having them read to me.”

“Such knowledge,” Rlain said. “So much at your fingertips. No wonder you know so much.”

Renarin blushed again.

“What?” Rlain asked to Reconciliation. Had he said something wrong?

“Those aren’t books full of facts or learning,” Renarin admitted. “They’re adventure stories, the kind written for young women. I had a whole collection, much to Father’s embarrassment.”

“Renarin,” Rlain said, “I have seen how your father treats you. He’s not embarrassed of you.”

“He was when I was young,” Renarin said. “But he was wrong back then, wasn’t he?”

They studied the image a little longer before Rlain picked out the detail that was bothering him. “Renarin, I think that is singer clothing you’re wearing.” He pointed at the folds of cloth, noting how they draped the body. The coloring… the patterns…

“Are you sure?” Renarin asked.

“No,” Rlain said, “but I did see a lot of their clothing in the tower these last few weeks. It looks the same.”

“Lies,” Renarin said softly. “Each picture here shows only one of several likely outcomes. I asked Wit, and he says it’s the way of things—no one actually knows the future, not even the gods.”

“But one possibility will become true,” Rlain said. “That’s what you meant earlier.”

Renarin nodded, always so solemn. Thoughtful. “We should study the other windows before they vanish.”

“Do we know why they appear?” Rlain said. “What determines when we see one of these, and which… possibility is depicted?”

“I haven’t been able to figure that out,” Renarin said. “Not fully. Though Glys says…”

“Swells,” Glys said. “There are swells in the rhythms of Roshar. Currents, and old gods, will watch.”

“Old gods,” Rlain said as Tumi, in his gemheart, changed to the Rhythm of the Lost. “The Unmade?”

“Older,” Glys said. “Older still than Honor, Cultivation, and Odium.”

“What’s older than them?” Rlain asked, glancing at Renarin. “Even the Old Magic, as you call it, is a spren of Cultivation.”

“When Honor and Cultivation came to Roshar,” Glys said, “deep within the days beyond memory, times as dark to history as the depths of the ocean are to light, you—Rlain—were already here. Your people.”

Rlain attuned the Rhythm of the Winds, for something as old as those distant years. Humans had come to Roshar long ago—and brought Odium with them. He had been their god, who had accepted the loyalty of the ancient singers after Honor betrayed them. Rlain hadn’t put together the deeper truth: that even Honor and Cultivation had come to Roshar and found the singers.

“Long ago, before any of them arrived,” Rlain said, “did we have forms? Were there spren?”

“I do not know,” Glys said. “I see ahead, not back. You will seek answers from those more ancient than I. The Bondsmith sees backward. Always, his eyes are toward what happened.”

“Jasnah too,” Renarin said softly. “She knows the past better than any.” He turned along the hallway of windows. “But we look forward…”

Rlain joined him, each of their steps crinkling as if on black glass at their feet, as they continued along the stained glass windows that rose on both sides, making a tunnel of light. The windows were the same on both the right and the left: Renarin on a throne, followed by a dark and building storm. Rlain knew that one. The Everstorm, which passed by every nine days. It was easy to forget about in Urithiru, which was usually above both storms, but others brought reports. Lightning strikes. Thunder. Generally less destruction than the highstorm, but a feeling of malevolence and something watching, biding its time. Preparing.

Why would there be a window depicting the storm? It had already arrived. Rlain hummed to Confusion. And Renarin, strangely, did as well? Or he tried. He glanced at Rlain and tried to imitate his humming. Renarin’s attempt was off-rhythm and too loud, like a child sounding out a word that was too big for them. But… Rlain had never heard a human even try before.

“Any idea why this is here?” Rlain asked him.

“No,” Renarin replied. “Sometimes the windows are just like this—nothing relevant that I can make out at all.”

The next depicted some kind of clifftop overlook, with Dalinar standing in front of a glowing golden figure. In the distance, a city was collapsing into a spreading pit. Though the image was static, he felt motion to it somehow. As if that city were constantly crumbling into that pit.

“I recognize this,” Renarin said. “From my aunt’s notes—when she wrote out my father’s visions. This was… the first vision? Or the last one? He stood on a cliff and watched our homeland crumble.”

“Which… has also already happened,” Rlain said to Consideration. “Are we sure these show the future?”

“They will,” Glys promised. “They will.”

Maybe, Tumi added by a thrumming from within him. Only maybe.

The fourth window was, strangely, a bright green field with distant figures standing in it. The grass didn’t flee from them, so perhaps they’d been standing there a long time. He counted… twelve? He looked to Renarin, who reached up and rested a hand beside the window.

“Peace,” Renarin said. “I feel peace from this one… Who are they, do you suppose?” He tried humming to Confusion, poorly, but Rlain could kind of tell what he meant.

“Humans,” Rlain said. “They’re all human, I think. This one might be a Horneater, and this one Makabaki… And this one—what are those humans with the blue skin?”

“Those are the Natans,” Renarin said. “Unless you’re talking about the Aimians, who aren’t humans, but neither are quite as blue as the woman in this picture.” He hesitated, squinting at the distant woman in a vivid blue skirt, with white hair and blue skin. “Does this mean anything to you?”

“No. I’m sorry.”

Renarin sighed. “They seem to be getting more vague.” He closed his eyes. “Is that last one still there, at the end?”

Rlain gazed past Renarin toward the “end” of their hallway—and was surprised to see a window there, shadowed in the darkness. No light shone through it, so he’d missed it.

“What is that?” Rlain said, walking closer. It depicted only a face. A simple face with intricate patterns, black and red swirling. A singer, femalen, against a black background, etched in glass. Staring at him.

Then it moved.

Rlain jumped. In fits and jumps the image split, multiple versions of the face moving, raging, the eyes going wide, the Rhythm of Agony shaking the frame. Windows around them cracked, but the one in the center kept vibrating. Her face shuddering back and forth, then her hands against the edges of the window, curling, bulging out—as if trying to break free.

Renarin screamed as the windows to the left and right shattered, exposing a dark wasteland. New windows grew up like vines, crystallizing and exploding, leaving jagged stumps—but before they broke, Rlain could pick out images. Burning cities. Broken bodies.

Above it all a rising Rhythm of Agony, with the femalen singer’s words echoing to the sound. I will break it. I will break IT ALL.

Renarin seized him and somehow pulled him out of the darkness. Just one step, and it was gone. They were once more on the fields in the hot air, surrounded by confused farmers.

Rlain fell to his hands and knees, carapace kneecaps grinding stone, sweat pooling under his collar at the edges of his skull carapace and streaming down his face. Renarin collapsed beside him, trembling.

“Is that… how it normally goes?” Rlain asked.

“That was something new. Did you recognize the face?”

“No, but the rhythm was Agony,” Rlain said. He took a deep breath. “It’s one of the new rhythms. That people can only access when they are Regal or Fused.”

Renarin closed his eyes. “Welcome to the fun, I suppose.”

“You said this was something new!” Rlain said to Betrayal. “Implying it’s not like this all the time!”

“Yes, but it’s always something new. So you get used to not being used to anything. Ever again.”

“Delightful,” Rlain said, flopping onto his back, deliberately attuning Peace and counting the movements of the rhythm to calm himself.

“Sorry,” Renarin eventually said, sitting up. “For dragging you into this.”

“I wanted a spren,” Rlain said. “I asked for it.”

“You wanted to fly,” Renarin said. “Like the others.”

“I’m a listener, Renarin,” Rlain said. “I don’t ever do things the way everyone else does.” He took another long, deep breath. “This seems more useful than flying. Assuming we can make any sense of it.”

Renarin nodded, and then smiled. Humans were often overly expressive with their faces, so it might be nothing. But Rlain asked anyway. “Is something funny?”

“Still just happy,” Renarin said, “not to be the only one.”

Rlain hummed to Appreciation before remembering that wouldn’t mean anything to a human. He kept forgetting, even after two years among them. Before he could explain himself, however, a shadow fell on him. He tipped his head back to see Shallan, hands on her hips, wearing some kind of armorlike leather outfit, a white coat, and a matching hat.

“Resting?” she said. “Eight days until the fate of the world is decided, and you two are napping in a field?”

Rlain hummed to Irritation. Sometimes it was good humans didn’t understand, because in singer company, that would have been rude.

“Come on,” she said. “I legitimately need your help.”

“What is the problem?” Renarin said, standing.

“It involves your father,” Shallan said, “the Spiritual Realm, and a group of people who are trying to find the prison of an ancient, evil spren. Ba-Ado-Mishram. You know that one?”

Mishram.

Yes, Rlain did know that name. She had ruled the singers long ago—a spren who had wanted to perpetuate the fighting after the Fused left. The one who had been determined to exterminate humankind, escalating the war.

She was the reason Rlain’s people had abandoned their forms and left. She was the queen of the gods they had forsaken.

And he suspected he’d just seen her face in the vision.

Urithuru art from Brandon Sanderson's Wind and Truth. Text reads: "The living Tower appears structurally identical in Shadesmar, but made of infused crystal and glass, glowing with light. Despite its ethereal aspect, the surfaces feel entirely solid to the touch. The presence of so many soul flames and emotions has attracted a variety of wild spren. No two of the gate spren are exactly alike. Do they match their counterparts at each locations?"
Art by Ben McSweeney © Dragonsteel, LLC

Excerpted from Wind and Truth, copyright © 2024 Dragonsteel Entertainment.


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Author Brandon Sanderson is the author of the best-selling Stormlight Archive fantasy series. His published works include Elantris (2005), Warbreaker (2009), the ongoing Mistborn series, the Alcatraz and Reckoners YA series, and many more.

Following the death of Robert Jordan in 2007, Jordan's wife and editor Harriet McDougal recruited Sanderson to finish Jordan's epic multi-volume fantasy series The Wheel of Time from Jordan's extensive drafts and notes. The series was concluded in 2013 with the publication of A Memory of Light, by Jordan and Sanderson.

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i-name
i-name
1 year ago

so is it mrease or ilatel that is the elsecaller

Kaladinvegapunk
Kaladinvegapunk
1 year ago
Reply to  i-name

No way to know if it’s Mraize or Iyatl. But considering Ivory was the only ink spren known that bonded, it had to either be one that wanted to be enlightened by Sja or one of the new bonds made after adolins trial revealed the truth of the recreance.
They’re extremely pragmatic and logical so could totally see it fitting with Mraize.

Sean
Sean
1 year ago

Multiple times in these chapters, Brandon shows just how much he’s listened to feedback and grown as a writer and a person. His descriptions here of neurodivergence, childhood trauma, and queerness were some of the most accurate to date while also including lore and plot development. Chapters like these are why I recommend him as an author.

Kaladinvegapunk
Kaladinvegapunk
1 year ago
Reply to  Sean

1000%! He made an attempt even back in Elantris to depict autism that he later said was one dimensional but improved so much when he wrote Steris. And especially coming from a pretty close minded LDS background he’s made massive strides in depicting queerness. Even Hbomberguy would be proud.

As far as the vision..I could totally see Renarin being in charge during the timeskip, together with rlain, whether Dalinar is stuck in the spiritual or loses the contest.

Liz
Liz
1 year ago
Reply to  Sean

I’m actually tearing up right now for the same reasons. The way he is dealing with queerness, gender, and neurodivergence with gentleness and strength is so moving.

MSnyder28
1 year ago
Reply to  Sean

Intersectionality for its own sake. Always a winning strategy.

Dylliana
Dylliana
1 year ago
Reply to  MSnyder28

?? BSanderson probably wants to learn to depict them more accurately and lifelike. He’s not putting in a quick neurodivergent character just to get praise, these are actually seriously good depictions that have gotten better over time.

Zoop
Zoop
1 year ago
Reply to  Dylliana

The depictions are as good as they are subtle

MSnyder28
1 year ago
Reply to  Dylliana

yes, and Kaladin’s journey has been especially inspiring. I am even more excited to see what he can do with the powers of his mind and heart without having to kill, as Wit said.

liver
liver
1 year ago
Reply to  MSnyder28

What do you mean by that

Nate
Nate
1 year ago
Reply to  Sean

I feel the same! I see more of myself in his characters day by day, and it feels authentic not forced

Isilel
1 year ago

So glad that the raid on the Ghostbloods had been competently planned and executed, after all. The 3 top people only escaped due to something that couldn’t have been foreseen. And yes, Shallan might have killed Iyatil and maybe someone else, if she struck immediately after being discovered, but I understand why she didn’t. Lets hope that captured Ghostbloods don’t get broken out ASAP and actually provide some information.

Also, she can actually enter Shadesmar physically, despite not having Transportation?! That’s new. But at the as yet unknown time before Kharbranth she had just one spren? I am confused.

The fact that Sanderson called attention to the timing of Vasher’s disappearance makes me think that my previous guess that he had been nabbed by the Ghostbloods and provided them with anti-Light might prove correct.

For some reason I thought that at the end of RoW Lift was running around with the red Aviar that she had saved from Mraize before he caught her? But now it seems that the Ghostbloods captured it, after all.

I worry about poor Gav, there is a lot of foreboding re: Odium’s champion.

Kaladin is taller than a singer warform?! It was very interesting to see how Renarin experiences his visions.
Oh, and to have confirmation that the listeners defected during the False Desolation and escaped from BAM specifically.
Otherwise, Renarin and Rlain are very wholesome.

Ethan
Ethan
1 year ago
Reply to  Isilel

If anything the inclusion of Gav here proves a bit more that he’s not the champion because he shows a surprising amount of maturity and understanding for his age of what happened to him.

Heroic Lich
Heroic Lich
1 year ago
Reply to  Ethan

My theory about it is that Gav will be approached by TOdium, who will promise to help Gavinor get revenge on Vyre, and also making sure his beloved grandfather will never die.
A kid with seperation anxiety being told that one of the only living relatives he has left becoming immortal AND that he’d get revenge on the man responsible for killing his father? I can’t see the kid turning that down.
That or Adolin will be the champion to save Azimir
Or Vyre will and Dalinar will beat him by banishing Odium’s influence.

Heroic lich
Heroic lich
1 year ago
Reply to  Isilel

I think the implication was she could see into Shadesmar back when she only had one spren but now is able to fully enter it when she has two. This was a long standing and confusing contradiction when she was in Kharbranth, when she started drowning in the sea of beads. If she didn’t have Transportation that shouldn’t happen.

JakeWinterScones
JakeWinterScones
1 year ago
Reply to  Heroic lich

I’m an idiot. I only realized, after all these years, a Lightweaver’s second Surge is Transformation. I’ve always thought it as Transportation. I think that was because when she and Jasnah first entered Shadesmar in WoK. But at least, this kind of confirms the theory, that Shallan might have access to four Surges.

Kaladinvegapunk
Kaladinvegapunk
1 year ago

Yeah that’s why were all guessing elsecaller, they’re teleportation. Shallan can soulcast which lets her glimpse it.
What’s funny is even after 15 years it just clicked that leather wouldn’t be a normal thing for them hahaha, no cattle.

MSnyder28
1 year ago

What would the 4th surge be (assuming you are adding Transportation to her current slot of Transformation and Illumination)? And how would bonding two of the same Spren grant access to 2 other surges?

JakeWinterScones
JakeWinterScones
1 year ago
Reply to  MSnyder28

A few hours after writing this comment I went through stuff again. The other Surges paired with Transportation would have made Shallan an Elsecaller or a Willshaper, which made me remember “Wait, isn’t Testament a cryptic?” Reddit pointed out that yeah, Shallan’s Connection to Shadesmar is just that powerful.

Case in point, I’m an idiot. lol

Dylliana
Dylliana
1 year ago
Reply to  Heroic lich

Yeah exactly. I interpreted it as Shallan having a closer Connection to shadesmar, since she is bonded to two spren from there. That, in combination with Transformation normally giving her sight into shadesmar, layers a bunch of small Connections together and enables her to actually travel there.

JakeWinterScones
JakeWinterScones
1 year ago
Reply to  Dylliana

Yes! I got that finally after someone else had to spell it out to me. lol

SonOfTanavast
1 year ago
Reply to  Dylliana

That’s how I understood it. Her connection to Shadesmar was supercharged by imbricating the Nahel Bond. But, on the other hand, this chapter makes it seem like she visited there in person before she met Pattern. So back to the drawing board.

Heroic Lich
Heroic Lich
1 year ago
Reply to  SonOfTanavast

She saw into it before she met Pattern, when she was bonded only with Testament and was a “normal” Lightweaver.
Ok yeah just double checked the part. She says she had “trouble” with Shadesmar before. Whether that means she always had trouble soulcasting or something deeper like being able to visit it with her Temu Transportation Surge, I don’t know.

Marbelcal
Marbelcal
1 year ago
Reply to  Heroic Lich

Is she referring to Karbranth where she spoke her first Truth with Pattern?

Isilel
1 year ago
Reply to  Marbelcal

“She’d always had trouble with this, from the first time she’d experimented in Kharbranth.

_Or… no… that hadn’t been the first time…_”

The last line is somewhat open to interpretation, but might hint at some weirdness with Shadesmar before that. Or just that Kharbranth wasn’t the first time that she had experimented with it?

Anyway a couple of other things – shouldn’t there be some portraits of Ehlokar around to remind Gav of his face? I thought that it was mentioned back in WoK how artists flocked to his court at the Shattered Plains? You’d think that Shallan would have drawn him for his grieving family too in the year between OB and RoW.

Also, it occurred to me that Shallan’s ability to enter Shadesmar at will wouldn’t be quite as useful for eventual world-hopping as I initially thought, because it should be one-way. So, she’d be able to leave a world at will, but still need perpendicularities to arrive on one.

Steven Hedge
Steven Hedge
1 year ago
Reply to  Isilel

I mean, it’s entirely possible artists flocked to him to not get his picture but because he invited them to just hang out and get some tips. He did have a secret interest in the arts and drawing. but yeah, Shallan should have given the family the Memory she drew of him

Stormrunner
1 year ago

The twelve people they saw in the visions must have been Kaladin, Syl, Szeth, and the nine Honorbearing shamans of Shinovar. Seeing Syl that way, I wonder if she somehow becomes human? Or is able to fully manifest in the physical realm with a body?

Also Renarin comments that this vision seems peaceful. I wonder if somehow Shinovar will be spared from the Contest between Dalinar and Odium. Dalinar loses his Contest, while Kal and Szeth win theirs – leaving Shinovar the only place on Roshar that is free from Odium’s dominion. Would also explain Wit’s forewarning/shadowing, telling Kaladin that he won’t be back. Why return to the land dominated by Odium if the only safe place left on Roshar is Shinovar?

Demandred
Demandred
1 year ago
Reply to  Stormrunner

This coupled with the line from the Drehy convo equating people to Human/Singer/Spren… Syladin is back on the menu. No but in all seriousness, good eye on the 12 being Kal, Syl, Szeth and the Honorbound

FakeMichealDouglass
FakeMichealDouglass
1 year ago
Reply to  Demandred

If Syl physically manifests and a romance plot starts then I think the shark will officially have been jumped.

Shinman
Shinman
1 year ago
Reply to  Stormrunner

Isn’t Ishar trying to bring the spren fully into the physical realm? Kaladin is on his way to find him.

MSnyder28
1 year ago
Reply to  Shinman

That was my first thought as well. But, given the trend, it seems more like Syl will fully manifest in the physical realm when Kaladin reaches the 5th Ideal.

Stormrunner
1 year ago
Reply to  MSnyder28

I was thinking this same thing! Perhaps the Wind will have something to do with this manifestation as well. Also wondering if the land of Shinovar itself will play a role in Syl’s manifestation. I need it to be December already.

Dustbringer
Dustbringer
1 year ago
Reply to  Stormrunner

If Kaladin and Szeth free Shinovar from whatever is influencing it, since it’s a neutral country, it might be where the tie twist comes in. The rules of the Contest didn’t set out provisions for land not held by either side IIRC

Stormrunner
1 year ago
Reply to  Dustbringer

Nice catch on it being a neutral country. I wasn’t even thinking along those lines. Now I’m wondering if it isn’t eligible to be included in the contract of Dalinar’s Contest with Odium at all because the land isn’t native to Roshar? Perhaps it’s foreign origins make it a sort of Switzerland that is free from the terms of the contract.

Dustbringer
Dustbringer
1 year ago

I’m really liking our sample grown-up Lift. Her scene with Gav was very cute. Also loved Renarin and Rlain walking down the stained glass tunnel together, that’s a sweet image. At least before BAM shows up lol

Kaladinvegapunk
Kaladinvegapunk
1 year ago
Reply to  Dustbringer

Same! Her and Renarin are growing so much as characters and these chapters are a really exciting preview for their own books, I can’t wait. And Brandon has come so far with depicting relationships, from only arranged marriages to healthy couples and LGBT characters that aren’t just token. It’s just normal ass people and doesn’t need to be a big deal.

I never would have imagined lift and the sunlit man together though haha, but he’ll be offworld pretty soon any way.

Ethan
Ethan
1 year ago
Reply to  Dustbringer

Lifts deal with the night watcher makes it so she doesn’t age so unless it gets undone like Dalinar then she’s not gonna “age”

Marbelcal
Marbelcal
1 year ago
Reply to  Ethan

That’s what Lift thought was supposed to happen, anyway. It’s, apparently, not what’s actually happening, since she is aging.

Steven Hedge
Steven Hedge
1 year ago
Reply to  Ethan

she’s definitely aging. Rhythm of war was constantly talking about how she was awkward because she was getting bigger, that she couldn’t fit into tight spaces as much, she’s wearing a wrap over her breasts to stop them from growing, Rock’s son was leaving her food because he clearly found her attractive, she clearly has a little crush on Sigzil here. and most importantly, it’s implied she had her period in Edgedancer, and that’s why she actually ran from Azmir. She’s growing up.

HA2
HA2
1 year ago
Reply to  Ethan

Nah, that’s what she wanted, but it’s absolutely not what she got. There’ve been multiple scenes where she’s complaining about how she is, in fact, aging.

MSnyder28
1 year ago
Reply to  Ethan

Except it wasn’t the Nightwatcher she spoke to, it was Cultivation herself, and she apparently ignored Lift’s wish and invested her with Lifelight instead.

Dustbringer
Dustbringer
1 year ago

Was Shallan’s armor described before this, of did we only just find out she has leather armor from another world?

MSnyder28
1 year ago
Reply to  Dustbringer

I think it was part of the disguise. The ghostblood she was impersonating was wearing it.

John
John
1 year ago
Reply to  Dustbringer

It’s the armor she stole from the Ghostblood she was disguised as

Iyanu
Iyanu
1 year ago
Reply to  Dustbringer

Its the armour from the outfit she stole from the guard. Its probably leather from Scadrial

AdonalsiumIsMyDad
AdonalsiumIsMyDad
1 year ago
Reply to  Dustbringer

Not sure if it was described when she got it, but the armor is from the kidnapped woman Shallan was impersonating

Moderator
Admin
1 year ago

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panacea
panacea
1 year ago

its 5 am my phone is on 1% this is what i love

SkeletonFlower
1 year ago

Two incredible chapters today! I noticed what might be a typo in the lines “You will need this information, Glys said in his mind. You will pay attention?”

The “you” in “you will pay attention” isn’t italicised like the rest of the thought. This might be intentional due to the word being emphasised in the phrase, but it’s hard to tell for sure so I thought I’d point it out just in case! Love you guys and all the work you do!

AndrewFromChoir
AndrewFromChoir
1 year ago
Reply to  SkeletonFlower

I think the odd emphasis of “you” by Glys might have been part of… his? its? characterization as having unusual/unnatural speech patterns, like certain other types of spren tend to have. I might be wrong about that. It just seems that most things Glys says are a bit alien-sounding (to use Renarin’s own adjective).

MSnyder28
1 year ago

Is that Rock? There appears to be more than one Honorspren there, based on the use of the plural. The Makabaki could be anyone either actually Makabaki or someone who looks like one (like Taln and Nale do).

Brian Howard
Brian Howard
1 year ago

The audiobook version of chapter 30 describes a completely different sketch than what was seen in the “printed” version.

Does one tell Dragonsteel? TOR?

Lightweaving
Lightweaving
1 year ago
Reply to  Brian Howard

I feel crazy right now. Because I could’ve sworn I’ve seen this sketch recently and I only came to the comments to see if anyone else noticed.

Edit: Peter addresses this in another comment.

Last edited 1 year ago by Lightweaving
Brian Howard
Brian Howard
1 year ago

Sorry I posted earlier about this but the above end of chapter 30 sketches are of an Alethi in a traditional takama. In the audiobook version of chapter 30 Kate Reading describes sketches of Urithiru from the Cognitive Realm. I’d love to see the latter sketches for sure, but the important thing is to make sure the audiobook listener hears the appropriate descriptions, right?

PeterAhlstrom
1 year ago
Reply to  Brian Howard

We switched the location of those illustrations very late in the process. The fashion folio is the one that should appear in this position. I’m double-checking with the audio folks.

EDIT: No, whoops, I had it wrong. The audio is the correct one here—it’s already in the switched position. The fashion folio should appear after chapter 13, and the Urithiru in Shadesmar illustration should appear after chapter 30.

Technically the illustration really goes with the beginning of chapter 31 rather than the end of chapter 30, but all of the illustration descriptions are appearing at the end of tracks rather than the beginning of tracks.

And, I should say that when we decided to switch these, it was too late for the first printing of the hardcover.

Last edited 1 year ago by PeterAhlstrom
dawwwspren
1 year ago
Reply to  PeterAhlstrom

Does this mean our favorite fashion expert is gonna feature in Chapter 31? I’d been hoping we’d get to see Best Boy Adolin gather the troops before the end of Day 2. Possibly one more chance for a hug from Dalinar, but I’m not holding my breath.

Moderator
Admin
1 year ago
Reply to  Brian Howard

Thanks for letting us know–we’ll notify the relevant folks about the issue!

Heroic Lich
Heroic Lich
1 year ago
Reply to  Brian Howard

Yeah, I was confused about the sketch as well

Zodda
1 year ago

Literally yesterday I had the sudden thought that the word ‘shit’ exists on Roshar (per Adolin and Shallan’s first date) but nobody seems to use it as an expletive. So now, of course, today we have Lift use shit as an expletive and even shoot the shit about shit and its uses. I am seriously weirded out by all this.

Steven Hedge
Steven Hedge
1 year ago
Reply to  Zodda

I mean, Windle specfically tells Lift that is not how you use the word and she shouldn’t hang around Zahel that much. Clearly, Zahel is the one who brought the vernacualr to Roshar and Lift being Lift picked it up

Hking
Hking
1 year ago
Reply to  Zodda

similarly Wit says damn and hell in the first few chapters, I dont think those show up in previous books

Nae'blis
Nae'blis
1 year ago
Reply to  Hking

No, it was only Damnation. I personally liked it much better when it was fictional curses. Bringing in Earth swear words kinda lowers it

Milkman
Milkman
1 year ago
Reply to  Nae'blis

“Gratuitous descriptions of explicit sexual relations?” Really? Are we reading the same scenes?

MSnyder28
1 year ago
Reply to  Milkman

This was originally appended my response, not Nae’Blis’s, which I accidently deleted. Apologies. My follow up comment down the thread will make more sense

MSnyder28
1 year ago
Reply to  Milkman

Go back to the Jasnah POV in Chapter 14 and read it again.

Austin
1 year ago
Reply to  MSnyder28

I’m curious as to what you found explicit? I read it again and didn’t see any explicit descriptions. The only thing mentioned was that Jasnah was having trouble connecting with Wit when they had sex and he was having trouble connecting with her emotionally. That was all the references I found.

MSnyder28
1 year ago
Reply to  Austin

Allow me to elaborate.

The definition of explicit is stated clearly without room for doubt.

spoilers from other Cosmere works
Until recently, in all of his works from Elantris (Raoden and Serene), to Warbreaker (Siri and Susebron), to Mistborn (Vin and Elend), sexual relations were always implied, but never mentioned outright. In other words, it has always been implicit. The same went for the Wheel of Time.

This is a higher, more elevated form of writing, and it’s what drew me to Sanderson (and Jordan before him) over the likes of GRRM and others. It wasn’t until recently with The Lost Metal, and now this, that it started to degrade into what we are seeing now.

My children don’t know the word sex, or what it implies, nor should they until they come of age. This type of writing was never used before and it doesn’t add anything to the story.

Xavier
Xavier
1 year ago
Reply to  MSnyder28

Is what you’re objecting to the usage of the term “secondary sex characteristics”?

MSnyder28
1 year ago
Reply to  Xavier

No, I was referring to Chapter 14 when Jasnah explicitly speaks of herself having sex with Hoid,

Lisamarie
1 year ago
Reply to  MSnyder28

Apologies to the moderators if this is resurrecting a conversation they would prefer to be dormant…but…

Yes, people have sex? And in this case it actually is relevant to the character development/plot and how WIt/Jasnah’s relationship unfolds. I am definitely a bit old fashioned about when I think sex should occur (and do appreciate that in some of Sanderson’s couples it’s not explicitly mentioned until after marriage) but at the same time…it happens, and is part of the human experience, and people don’t always live up to ideals we hold, and that impacts the story. In a way I applaud Sanderson here for showing a wide range of people; it’s not always a narrative endorsement. It would be out of character for Jasnah to be particularly prudish about this (to say nothing of Wit), and she wouldn’t use a euphemism in her internal monologue either. She would be very clinical about it.

I probably wouldn’t give this series to anybody under 15 anyway, just due to the themes/complexity. But at that point they are going to see through any innuendo used and know they were having sex, so at that point, the word makes no difference. The concept is there. The word itself isn’t bad or vulgar, it’s just…clinical. (I might agree more if there was a more vulgar or dehumanizing word being used.)

I absolutely do not want to be reading smut or erotica, I feel you on that. Nor is this the kind of series I want even a kind of ‘soft focus/fade to black’ type of scene.

But also – coming of age is 18 in most countries. Your kids won’t know the word sex or even that it exists until they are 18? After they have gone through puberty and experienced sexual desire (they don’t need to know the word for that to happen)? You realize that is hugely putting them at risk for abuse and exploitation? You can’t integrate a healthy morality/attitude about sex without even knowing what it is. But then again, my kids knew what sex was as soon as they were old enough to be interested in biology or how babies were made, which was about 5. But as far as they needed to know, it was something adults do, nobody should ever be talking about it with them (aside from us). And as they got older, explanation that others had different beliefs about it, but it happens.

Kelek
Kelek
1 year ago
Reply to  Zodda

I mean, she picked that up from Vasher who is from Nalthis. People have been complaining that the prose is getting more modern, but that works fine in universe with tech growth and linguistic influence from worldhoppers.

Zodda
1 year ago
Reply to  Kelek

To be clear, I’m weirded out by the coincidence of my random observation being addressed in depth within the narrative 24 hours after it came to me. I’ve always been on board with Sanderson leveraging the translation principle for all it’s worth.

Ethan
Ethan
1 year ago

Yesssss I predicted Gavinor and Lift a few chapters ago, nice to see

MSnyder28
1 year ago
Reply to  Ethan

Wait…predicted what?

Ethan
Ethan
1 year ago
Reply to  MSnyder28

I predicted a couple of chapters ago lift gav and Shallans presumed kid would be a grouping and the seeds of that are already being sown

Steven Hedge
Steven Hedge
1 year ago
Reply to  Ethan

don’t forget Oroden as well as part of the KID trio

Ethan
Ethan
1 year ago
Reply to  Steven Hedge

yessssss I almost forgot oroden

MSnyder28
1 year ago
Reply to  Ethan

What’s a grouping?

AndrewFromChoir
AndrewFromChoir
1 year ago
Reply to  MSnyder28

I believe this person simply means “grouping” as in a group of friends.

Ethan
Ethan
1 year ago

yes

C. Goldeneye
C. Goldeneye
1 year ago
Reply to  MSnyder28

From Google: grouping, noun. a set of associated people acting together, especially within a larger organization.

Steve-son-son-Charles
Reply to  Ethan

Given Lift will be a main character in the back 5, and we presume Gav will still be around, it makes sense that these characters start building connections now.

This could end up being interesting, especially since she is seemingly becoming friends with all the future (and present) young kings.

But the Lift and Zeth combo still my favourite so far.

Charlie
Charlie
1 year ago

I’ve been thinking the back half will feature Lift, Gavinor, Oroden, and Shallans kid. I’m theorizing she’s pregnant after the shower scene.

FakeMichealDouglass
FakeMichealDouglass
1 year ago

I understand that Lift is a crass character and I like that about her personality but the “shits” and “n’shits” sort of pull me out of the narrative. These Earth swear words weren’t present in Stormlight for years until Moshe retired. I realize this is nitpicking, but it does seem like an unnecessary shift away from what drew me to the books initially.

Xavier
Xavier
1 year ago

Adolin said “shat myself” in Words of Radiance, years before Moshe retired. The word already existed in Roshar, at least as far as it’s translated to us from Alethi.

SonOfTanavast
1 year ago

This is clearly true. Brandon’s writing style changed visibly after he left. I was hoping to share this beloved series with my 10 year old Daughter, who loves fantasy. Now I have to really think about it.

Steven Hedge
Steven Hedge
1 year ago
Reply to  SonOfTanavast

really? the swearing is what you don’t want your child to not hear but the death, war crimes, murder of innocent people, the depression, the parental abuse and complicated mental trauma that is Shallan and Szeth is ok? realx, they can hear the word shit, its just as bad as the word Damnation, aka Damn.

Moderator
Admin
1 year ago
Reply to  Steven Hedge

I think we’re getting to the point where it’s time to agree to disagree on this particular point and move on to other topics.

Cyrano
Cyrano
1 year ago
Reply to  SonOfTanavast

In the same scene, Gavinor talks about the murder of his father and his desire to kill, to burn out the eyes of his enemies (with a shardblade), to chop their bodies into pieces.

There’s plenty more violence and blood and death.

Isn’t that as much of a barrier to a child reading the books as a four letter word for something we all do?

Daniel
Daniel
1 year ago
Reply to  Cyrano

lol

SonOfTanavast
1 year ago
Reply to  Cyrano

You’re asking a good question.

Violence (within reason, of course) is pretty much par for the course in the Fantasy genre. Children often act it out themselves. If you are ever in the same room as a group of children playing (usually boys) you’ll hear all about how they are going to kill each other in whatever game they are playing.

One’s language, however, is another matter entirely. We go through great lengths to teach our kids to speak in a more refined manner because it affects how they act and treat others. That goes for any speech, not just “curse words”. That’s also why in-universe swearing, like “storming, flaming, rusting, etc” is fine, because they don’t carry all of our intent, connotations, debasements, and degeneracies that those words represent.

Nae'blis
Nae'blis
1 year ago
Reply to  SonOfTanavast

Absolutely agree!!

Praxic_Despair
Praxic_Despair
1 year ago
Reply to  SonOfTanavast

As you pointed out, curse words carry intent, connotations, etc. Of course, that intent and connotation changes from generation to generation. Personally I find the word used by Lift to be virtually non-offensive. However, I realize for my mother it is significantly more offensive and out of respect for her I don’t use it around her. Likewise, I see people on this thread who are bothered by it, so I will refrain from using it. My brothers, like me are not bothered by it, so I use it around them all the time.

I try to teach my children this nuance. What bothers you might not bother others. Try to approach people you don’t know well with a high level of caution, and as you get to know them better, you can adjust to their actual comfort level. Be respectful and kind, but realize that varies depending on with whom you are dealing.

Chapters show this nuance nicely too. A normal person might like a hug, but it makes Gav uncomfortable, so Lift doesn’t hug him. Good to see and think about.

Given that the use of language is called out, I think Sanderson is trying to make a point about language and norms or Lift or all of it. I don’t think this is the only time in the book this will come up, so let’s see what he does with it. There could be a very good reason it needs to resonate more directly with our swears.

SonOfTanavast
1 year ago
Reply to  Praxic_Despair

Excellent points, and well made. There are certainly generational shifts in what is considered crass or offensive, at least when it comes to curse words and slang.

I would have thought, as an author beloved by several different generations, that Sanderson would want to appeal to all of them. And he certainly did for the last decade and a half. His work was pristine and could be read and enjoyed on all levels of maturity as a result.

I just don’t get why he would give that up in favor of appealing almost exclusively to the younger generations and social norms of the 2020s.

Last edited 1 year ago by SonOfTanavast
HA2
HA2
1 year ago
Reply to  SonOfTanavast

Definitely seems kind of backwards to me. Our culture is pretty messed up….

SonOfTanavast
1 year ago
Reply to  HA2

Let me put it to you another way:

I’m not concerned that my children will kill each other with swords (or even guns) in real life as adults, because, even as children, they understand the difference between pretend play and real life. Kids fight all the time, it’s one of the main parts of being a child, and our job is to protect them as much as we can from serious harm while giving them room to play, grow, and learn how to resolve conflict and get along

I am very concerned, however, if they learn explicitly adult concepts well before they are emotionally and mentally ready for them and inculcate them into their lexicon, because that can have long lasting effects well into their adulthood.

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Lisamarie
1 year ago
Reply to  SonOfTanavast

Coming at this kind of late, but think language and it use is really interesting! I probably would not give these books to a 10 or 11 year old, and it’s not because of the word ‘shit’. (Which, btw, is not some 2020 norm, you can read the Decameron or Shakespeare and they have all sorts of scat humor).

You mention about introducing adult concepts, but this book is already full of those concepts. In that I agree that a 10 or 11 year old (my 11 year old is a VERY precocious reader, and I still wouldn’t have him tackle these yet) is probably not ready for those yet. It has nothing to do with the presence of cursing. By the time they’re old enough to really ‘get’ it, they will probably be old enough for the word ‘shit’. (Not that I consider this some scary adult concept – given that kids LOVE fart/poop humor it’s honestly pretty par for the course. It’s not introducing them to something they don’t already know…)

I also disagree that refined speech has any impact on how you treat others or view their personhood. There are many obsessed with purity of speech and its policing turn a blind eye to atrocities and in many cases are policing that speech in part because they don’t want the strong emotions or *descriptions* of the things being discussed or expressed. Honestly, I find the more preoccupied with externals some people are, the more of a red flag it is.

To be sure – I don’t think it’s a non-issue either. I don’t want to see a bunch of f bombs dropped, or descriptive mechanics of sex (I’ll read stuff like that but agree that’s not what I’m looking for in Sanderson). I think language absolutely shapes how we think of ourselves and others, and can be used to dehumanize or to profane things.

There are times and contexts where some things are appropriate and some things are not. I’m lax about swearing at home (well, in certain contexts, it’s not a free for all and not all words are allowed, but ‘shit’ is) but my kids know that home is more casual. In some ways I think using ‘shit’ here with Lift is meant as a clear narrative device to show how far outside the norms Lift is but also how that can be a good thing. She’s crass, unpolished, but that is also what allows her to minister to the broken and forgotten.

I say this as somebody who is definitely a bit more ‘prudish’ than the average person here…language matters, but I also recognize that too often we confuse ‘propriety’ for morality.

Last edited 1 year ago by Lisamarie
Daniel
Daniel
1 year ago
Reply to  SonOfTanavast

And that 4 letter word is considered an “explicitly adult concept” to you?

SonOfTanavast
1 year ago
Reply to  Daniel

There are many four letter words that fall into that category. And now that the floodgates are open, who knows what’s going to enter?

“Shit”, in and of itself, may not be an “explicitly adult concept” but it’s also not a word I want my children knowing and utilizing. I love watching South Park also, but I wouldn’t show it to my kids.

Nae'blis
Nae'blis
1 year ago
Reply to  SonOfTanavast

Exactly. My friend is reading this series, and now I feel like I have to warn him about this

Nae'blis
Nae'blis
1 year ago

Yeah, it does seem unnecessary, and doesn’t add much

Steve-son-son-Charles

“You are normal,” Drehy said. “Or rather, nobody is normal. Normal doesn’t exist. So if we slavishly try to dress ourselves to imitate it, all we’re really doing is becoming a different kind of abnormal—a miserable kind.”

One of my favourite lines, if not my favourite, Brandon has ever put to paper.

Steve-son-son-Charles

My appreciation for Lift grows every time she is on screen.

She is broken, knows she is broken, but uses that experience to help other broken people – she did it with Yanagawn, she did it with Zeth, she did it with Nale, she did it with the people and orphans of Yeddaw, she did it with the chicken (and still trying), and now she does it with Gav.

We know she asked to stay the same, and we somewhat know why based on the limited information we have been given on her backstory, but perhaps she is now resisting it for other reasons… if she grows up, she will change, and perhaps feels she that change would not be able to help the broken people any longer.

At least, that is a feeling I get.

FSS
FSS
1 year ago

ditto. i once WAS gavinor. small child, dead father, abusive mother, and feeling like no one really wanted me. i wish i’d have had someone like lift, and did in many ways (the other latchkey kids in gen x). that’s how i read this scene, one kid helping another who was worse off, when the people who should be there for them are doing things that are…not more important…but more urgent. on the plus side, it helps gav feel better. on the other hand, kids really shouldn’t raise kids. it will interesting to see where Brandon takes this…

Trogdor
Trogdor
1 year ago

Personal theory developing after this chapter, In the second half of Stormlight when young gav is 20 he’s gonna be our sad boy kal stand in after kal dies or fills the boots that dalinar leaves behind

JakeWinterScones
JakeWinterScones
1 year ago

Gav’s play with swords and strong negative emotions are strongly hinting he could be Odium’s champion. It’s just something Taravangian would definitely try to do. I can imagine this being a conflict with Lift later on. She did just promise to hold whoever Gav plans to kill. But that could be another red herring. I still like the theory of Gavilar’s Cognitive Shadow being the champion.

Zoop
Zoop
1 year ago

WHOA I like this theory

McMasterx
McMasterx
1 year ago

Longshot call: Lift is gonna enter the Spiritual Realm without a method of getting back safely. I bet the epilogue will be from her perspective, after the Timeskip during the starting events of SA6.

Charlie
Charlie
1 year ago
Reply to  McMasterx

I was thinking that would be Shallan but Lifts a good fit as well.

RoninAlohan
1 year ago
Reply to  McMasterx

Book 6 is slated to be Lift’s flashback book as well.

Daniel
Daniel
1 year ago
Reply to  McMasterx

ooooooh. Good one, Goyle.

Steve-son-son-Charles
Reply to  McMasterx

Interesting. She comes back 15 years later, still a “kid” and unchanged.

FakeMichealDouglass
FakeMichealDouglass
1 year ago
Reply to  McMasterx

^agree

jer
jer
1 year ago

Yes, i posted on the other thread something similar… she might even be stuck with Gav….

Nae'blis
Nae'blis
1 year ago

Wow, each time we hear about Shallan, it seems her powers are more and more untraditional Lightweaver

Andrew Ahlfield
Andrew Ahlfield
1 year ago

If two spren are what pulls Shallan closer to the cognitive realm, what is it that pulls Lift still closer? Her connection with Cultivation? Does that pull her closer to the spiritual realm as well?!

InTHEninthToNe
1 year ago

I feel like Renarin’s newly exposed character traits came out of left field and it feels forced. Relain, I can see – he’s alluded to things in the past, and it feels like part of his character. But Renarin? Huh. OK I guess 🤷‍♀️

Steven Hedge
Steven Hedge
1 year ago
Reply to  InTHEninthToNe

being gay is not a character trait, and we know that he does have a connection with Rlain, remember, from Oathbringer. and it has been several months almost a year between oathbringer and rhythm of war. so no, it is not forced.

Heroic Lic
Heroic Lic
1 year ago
Reply to  InTHEninthToNe

Yeah, don’t mean to dogpile on this but Renarin’s entirely within his established character. I don’t see any qualities we haven’t seen in his *checks notes* 3 POV chapters.

liver
liver
1 year ago
Reply to  InTHEninthToNe

What do you mean? We’ve known he’s autistic since book one, and it was pretty obvious from the beginning. And if you’re talking about him being gay, that’s not really a character trait. People don’t “act gay” or “act straight”. It’s just who they are attracted to.

stormbrother
1 year ago

This hallway with stained glass windows on either side sounds oddly familiar. Wasn’t there someone in the real world that released a video this week of stained glass windows on both sides of a hallway?…

Shannash
Shannash
1 year ago

So, if Shallan is pregnant, then her fetus was just exposed to potentially dangerous levels of anti-stormlight in-utero.

That can’t be healthy, right?

dawwwspren
1 year ago
Reply to  Shannash

That sounds like something that might come back to bite us in the back 5. Filing this away as ominous.

Austin
1 year ago
Reply to  Shannash

I’m curious as to how quickly a fetus forms. Hasn’t it barely been a day?

MSnyder28
1 year ago
Reply to  Austin

Could be investiture can alter that process quite a bit. I don’t know that we’ve seen a highly invested lady pregnant yet in the Cosmere. I’m excited to find out.

Jake
Jake
1 year ago

I was wondering if I missed something on how Shallan came to be wearing leather armor from another world?
“No, really,” Darcira said. “I don’t think this is hogshide. It’s something else. Probably from… you know…”

Right. She was wearing the carcass of a beast from some other planet, its skin smoother and thicker than that of a hog. Storms. What a surreal realization. Shallan found her feet and wiped her hands on a cloth Jayn provided, as she and the other Lightweavers joined them from the trophy room

HA2
HA2
1 year ago
Reply to  Jake

As part of the disguise, she was wearing the armor of the ghostblood who they’d nabbed.

Gho5tRUN3R
1 year ago

I’m enjoying the friendships that are deepening: Lift and Gav and Renarin and Drehy. I was kind of hoping for a Venli and Rlain pairing, but I don’t hate this either. Adds some much needed character depth for Renarin and Rlain.

Rachel
Rachel
1 year ago

Does anyone else think that all the diversions and crass language in Tress may have been because Hoid was talking to Lift? I can’t work his Elantrian ascension into that theory, but it fits otherwise.

Asher Lungman
Asher Lungman
1 year ago

So glad that Lift is here and the Gavinor-as-champion rumors are being disproven in real time lol! Brandon has been doing that a lot with the Syladin stuff too. Hated those theories.
Renarin and Rlain was not on my bingo card, but I’m all for it!
This book is kinda rivaling Memory of Light for incredible Sanderlanche that lasts the whole book right now, and after Rhythm of War’s slow burn im so ready!

Ammon
Ammon
1 year ago

Bruh.. I NEED to know what happens next!!!!!!!!!!

Kaladinvegapunk
Kaladinvegapunk
1 year ago

I absolutely love how much lift is growing into her POV character self and can’t wait for her book next haha. Same with Renarin after. Sure, Taln and ash should have awesome books but those two really need more focus. Finally a mention of Vasher outside of WoB. Now that we know he worked on the anti light I want him to show back up already.
Sibling liking Lift is really interesting, and she seems much more aware of her connection to cultivation and Shadesmar than she did before.
Poor little Gav. After the timeskip hell either be really brutal or continue where his dad left off.

Love the worldbuilding that their leather is nowhere near the quality of Scadrian/offworld cow leather haha.

We all knew the GBs were elsecaller teleporting but insane they’re already this proficient, ink spren only just started to bond again after adolins trial unless ivory wasn’t the only rogue one.

I’m guessing Shallans double bond will be a huge factor going forward considering how much focus it’s getting, and of course the last little bit her of backstory we haven’t seen yet involving her mom being a herald and using her powers as a kid

Lisamarie
1 year ago

I got caught up, only to fall behind again! To be fair, I did read this one the day it came out, but I didn’t have time to leave a good comment as so much was going on, and then I just got overwhelmed again! I’m not even going to try and touch on the vision or theories, but there’s a lot going on here with the concept of identity, I think.

So, coming in late again:

Chapter 29:

-I love the quote on the first chapter, as I am a big believer in context. It doesn’t mean I believe in moral relativity or a lack of absolutes, just that we need all the data. And in a way I think it fits in with Lift’s musings on how sometimes you still have to figure out for yourself what to do and not do.

-Lift! Lift is one of the characters where Sanderson’s humor and attempt to create a ‘quirky’ character really works for me. I was chuckling out loud through basically this entire chapter. Then again, I do love to eat (and I usually read these over lunch) so perhaps we are just simpatico, haha. But in general I just love her way of moving among the ‘forgotten’ or ‘broken’ and paying attention to Gavinor, and that she goes at his own pace/recognizes his cues. I’m worried that the lack of ‘playing swords’ game is really going to come back and bite us. My heart breaks for him.

-I haven’t really dug into the wider reaction here, but I think the way Lift has her growing ambivalence over her growing secondary sex characteristics is really interesting. I’m not sure if the wider audience is going to take this as some kind of hinting that she is trans (either in a positive way, or in an alarmist way), although to me it seems more that Lift rejects any sign of maturity whatsoever due to her own trauma and feelings regarding growing up. In a way she IS rejecting womanhood, but because it represents adulthood/growing up. Which is a very different thing!

-But at the same time, Lift having crushes and noticing guys is honestly kind of adorable, along with Wyndle’s commentary. And as somebody who was also awkward and ugly I really do relate to her being jealous of the Edgedancer with perfect teeth and hair (and comparing that to my own awkward body – honestly, I do really relate to Lift a lot in some of this and think of my own awkward adolescence), heh. 

-Really wondering what Zahel is up to.

-Regarding dialect: I didn’t mind ‘shit’ since I feel like scat-cursing is kind of a commonality across all cultures, but something about Lift calling Drehy ‘hot’ kind of took me out for a bit. It feels very modern English (in other languages, do they use ‘hot’ to mean attractive?). 

-I LOVE TOWER SO MUCH! I used to be a microbiologist, and I LOVE bacteria. They are awesome. My favorite random fact to hit people with was that we are more microbial than human, cell wise. So Tower hitting Lift with that fact delighted me to no end, ahahahaha. (PS: midichlorians fucking rule!). I know there is some talk about a culture that uses diseases/microbes as investiture and I really want that to be written!

Last edited 1 year ago by Lisamarie
Lisamarie
1 year ago

(Second comment, since I think my first was too long and it kept silently failing!)

Chapter 30:

-Renarin is also one of my favorites so I’m always happy to get a POV from him too! I always just want to give him a hug (if he wants one).

-It’s really sweet to read his thoughts on Rlain and that he recognizes the sacrifice he is making (and narratively I think it’s a really useful device to get it across).

-I’m not quite a small-talk averse as Renarin is…I can mostly fake it and figure out what I’m ‘supposed’ to be doing, but I absolutely felt a lot of this anxiety and trying to figure out what the right thing to do is, and wondering why it comes so naturally to everybody else. If I know what to do now, it’s mostly because I’ve ‘trained’ myself.

-Drehy is good people. Putting himself out there, but not too pushy.

-Don’t know if I completely agree that ‘normal’ doesn’t exist (at least in a general sense that norms exist) but it’s a spectrum. Plus ‘norms’ aren’t necessarily what is right (although some norms, like not murdering people, ARE reflective of that). But I take his point in having to figure that out for yourself and not assume what is normal for one person is normal for you. Maybe I am just being pedantic!

-I hope we learn more about Ancient Roshar! 

-Rlain’s thoughts on the forms is fairly interesting. To me, as somebody who tries to be as consistent and integrated as possible, the idea of having certain forms where some emotions dominate and influence your personality is a little unpleasant to ponder! As humans, we do have emotions/moods/scenarios where we might be driven by one thing or another, but I really do try to keep emotion in the passenger seat, so to speak. But, as worldbuilding for this race, it’s interesting to see him think about which forms feel the most like who he is, but also that there is a difference in which forms he feels the most like himself, and that he looks like himself. As a more ‘cerebral’ person, most of my sense of self is bound up in how I think/feel in my head, but I can’t lie and say there aren’t aspects of my physical self I view as ‘me’. In my faith there’s a lot of emphasis on that unity and ironically I sometimes find myself leaning more into old heresies that try and eschew the body completely as a useless meatbag, hehe, and have to re-center myself in its goodness.

Last edited 1 year ago by Lisamarie